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		<title>By: dirigo</title>
		<link>http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/holy-singers/go-gay-the-homeless-will-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-6529</link>
		<dc:creator>dirigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, right, skeptic.  You and Sarah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, right, skeptic.  You and Sarah.</p>
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		<title>By: skeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/holy-singers/go-gay-the-homeless-will-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-6528</link>
		<dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know, &#039;Hag, I&#039;ve suggested that very thing (going Republican) a number of times in the past to friends of mine... saying that if we HAVE to have a Republican president, then we should at least have some say in the matter.

Right now, there appears to be a rather huge void, pracically a black hole, in the GOP&#039;s membership. Maybe we should recruit and try to take it over?! ;~)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, &#8216;Hag, I&#8217;ve suggested that very thing (going Republican) a number of times in the past to friends of mine&#8230; saying that if we HAVE to have a Republican president, then we should at least have some say in the matter.</p>
<p>Right now, there appears to be a rather huge void, pracically a black hole, in the GOP&#8217;s membership. Maybe we should recruit and try to take it over?! ;~)</p>
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		<title>By: skeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/holy-singers/go-gay-the-homeless-will-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-6527</link>
		<dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. They&#039;ve gone over to the wacky dark side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. They&#8217;ve gone over to the wacky dark side.</p>
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		<title>By: dirigo</title>
		<link>http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/holy-singers/go-gay-the-homeless-will-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-6526</link>
		<dc:creator>dirigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I have respected about this church, more than anything, is the intellectual tradition in support of meaningful, long- term social justice.

At least that&#039;s how I understood some of what I absorbed in Boston, and in some reading that I&#039;ve done.

Considering this news from D.C., are they throwing this over the side?

Are they trying to torpedo the health bill over abortion?

Hello?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I have respected about this church, more than anything, is the intellectual tradition in support of meaningful, long- term social justice.</p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s how I understood some of what I absorbed in Boston, and in some reading that I&#8217;ve done.</p>
<p>Considering this news from D.C., are they throwing this over the side?</p>
<p>Are they trying to torpedo the health bill over abortion?</p>
<p>Hello?</p>
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		<title>By: cocktailhag</title>
		<link>http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/holy-singers/go-gay-the-homeless-will-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-6525</link>
		<dc:creator>cocktailhag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...And why not go Republican, especially when they&#039;re always talking Tort Reform?  Every religion seems to want to become the next Halliburton, and Christian teachings are pretty much left in the dust to achieve that noble goal.  The good news is, if they make good on this threat, there&#039;ll be nothing left to take away for next time, and they&#039;ll look like even bigger asses then.  Uh, Father, your usefulness to society would be what, exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;And why not go Republican, especially when they&#8217;re always talking Tort Reform?  Every religion seems to want to become the next Halliburton, and Christian teachings are pretty much left in the dust to achieve that noble goal.  The good news is, if they make good on this threat, there&#8217;ll be nothing left to take away for next time, and they&#8217;ll look like even bigger asses then.  Uh, Father, your usefulness to society would be what, exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: dirigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>dirigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m a Prot, and a rather lapsed, spotted one at that.

But, growing up in Boston, you kind of imbibe a lot of Catholic ambience.  Plus, I have quite a few lifelong Catholic friends from those days.

I&#039;m not a member of the club though, and do have a hard time listening to this church lecturing on sex, given the revelations over the last several years.

Looks like they&#039;re taking the gloves off in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m a Prot, and a rather lapsed, spotted one at that.</p>
<p>But, growing up in Boston, you kind of imbibe a lot of Catholic ambience.  Plus, I have quite a few lifelong Catholic friends from those days.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a member of the club though, and do have a hard time listening to this church lecturing on sex, given the revelations over the last several years.</p>
<p>Looks like they&#8217;re taking the gloves off in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: cocktailhag</title>
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		<dc:creator>cocktailhag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a kid, the young priests were hippies, practically.  It never felt like a conservative church, nor a judgmental one.  That seems to have come later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a kid, the young priests were hippies, practically.  It never felt like a conservative church, nor a judgmental one.  That seems to have come later.</p>
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		<title>By: dirigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>dirigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Benedict might be the Kaiser in a miter, but, unlike the Kaiser, probably worse at shooting ducks flapping past a blind than Dick Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Benedict might be the Kaiser in a miter, but, unlike the Kaiser, probably worse at shooting ducks flapping past a blind than Dick Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: William Timberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Timberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the Catholic Church is the classic Big Tent, isn&#039;t it? I mean, for every Opus Dei, or Knights of Columbus we&#039;ve had a Catholic Workers, or an Archbishop Romero and the Theology of Liberation. Neither was an illusion, and both were certainly genuine expressions of Catholicism. Although I&#039;m a Protestant by birth, and the Arch-secular Humanist of all time by inclination, I&#039;ve been contributing for years to a Catholic organization which has been trying to rescue El Salvador from the brutal damage inflicted on it by the Reaganite interventions of the past.

The Popes of recent days have been more concerned with preserving the glories of the faith than seriously contemplating the Church&#039;s duty in the world -- John Paul II because he was subjected in his youth to the tender mercies of a rival organization that had no redeeming features whatsoever -- and the current Holy Father, Benedict, because he seems to be by nature something of a tight-ass. The world which his own God created is too messy for him, it seems, and he appears to view his Papacy as a sort of Holy Prussian Bueaucracy -- &lt;i&gt;Ordnung muss sein,&lt;/i&gt; and all that.

Still, John XXIII didn&#039;t pass from the scene all that long ago, and I don&#039;t think that anyone can doubt that he represented something equally genuine in the higher reaches of the Catholic hierarchy, and in the Church in general -- people who yield to the impulse to be shepherds rather than godfathers or accounting clerks, and are willing to concern themselves more with elevating people&#039;s lives here on Earth than riding herd over the abstraction of their immortal souls.

Seen in this light, &lt;i&gt;Ora pro nobis&lt;/i&gt; becomes quite a different plea, one which applies in our time as much to religious organizations as it does to secular ones. Being human institutions, after all, they have more in common than anyone has ever been willing to admit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the Catholic Church is the classic Big Tent, isn&#8217;t it? I mean, for every Opus Dei, or Knights of Columbus we&#8217;ve had a Catholic Workers, or an Archbishop Romero and the Theology of Liberation. Neither was an illusion, and both were certainly genuine expressions of Catholicism. Although I&#8217;m a Protestant by birth, and the Arch-secular Humanist of all time by inclination, I&#8217;ve been contributing for years to a Catholic organization which has been trying to rescue El Salvador from the brutal damage inflicted on it by the Reaganite interventions of the past.</p>
<p>The Popes of recent days have been more concerned with preserving the glories of the faith than seriously contemplating the Church&#8217;s duty in the world &#8212; John Paul II because he was subjected in his youth to the tender mercies of a rival organization that had no redeeming features whatsoever &#8212; and the current Holy Father, Benedict, because he seems to be by nature something of a tight-ass. The world which his own God created is too messy for him, it seems, and he appears to view his Papacy as a sort of Holy Prussian Bueaucracy &#8212; <i>Ordnung muss sein,</i> and all that.</p>
<p>Still, John XXIII didn&#8217;t pass from the scene all that long ago, and I don&#8217;t think that anyone can doubt that he represented something equally genuine in the higher reaches of the Catholic hierarchy, and in the Church in general &#8212; people who yield to the impulse to be shepherds rather than godfathers or accounting clerks, and are willing to concern themselves more with elevating people&#8217;s lives here on Earth than riding herd over the abstraction of their immortal souls.</p>
<p>Seen in this light, <i>Ora pro nobis</i> becomes quite a different plea, one which applies in our time as much to religious organizations as it does to secular ones. Being human institutions, after all, they have more in common than anyone has ever been willing to admit.</p>
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		<title>By: two_cents</title>
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		<dc:creator>two_cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; I always was suspicious of the motives of other seemingly more fervent religions, but growing up my own seemed fairly benign,...&quot;

If you didn&#039;t catch it, check out this article today at the Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-10/was-a-wwii-classic-too-gay/full/)on some not too distant meddling by the Catholics on what can be published that I hadn&#039;t been aware of:

&quot;...The National Organization for Decent Literature (NODL), a Catholic group formed in Chicago, first targeted magazines and then paperbacks. NODL objected to “the lascivious type of literature which threatens the moral, social and National life of our country.” In 1947, NODL recommended that church members visit retailers every two weeks armed with a list of “harmful” titles. If they found books on the list, they informed the manager. The result? Widespread intimidation and boycott of booksellers. From Here to Eternity was blacklisted by the NODL in 1954. The religious group stated publicly its belief that certain books on its list—including works by William Faulkner, Ernest Hemingway, my father, and other prominent authors—were too advanced for youthful readers and should be kept out of their hands.

In 1956, the prosecuting attorney in Port Huron, Michigan, ordered booksellers and distributors to stop displaying and selling all books on the NODL blacklist, citing erotic passages. The ban on NODL books was lifted after the paperback publisher of From Here to Eternity joined with other publishers to obtain a federal district court injunction against the prosecution....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I always was suspicious of the motives of other seemingly more fervent religions, but growing up my own seemed fairly benign,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>If you didn&#8217;t catch it, check out this article today at the Daily Beast (<a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-10/was-a-wwii-classic-too-gay/full/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-10/was-a-wwii-classic-too-gay/full/</a>)on some not too distant meddling by the Catholics on what can be published that I hadn&#8217;t been aware of:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;The National Organization for Decent Literature (NODL), a Catholic group formed in Chicago, first targeted magazines and then paperbacks. NODL objected to “the lascivious type of literature which threatens the moral, social and National life of our country.” In 1947, NODL recommended that church members visit retailers every two weeks armed with a list of “harmful” titles. If they found books on the list, they informed the manager. The result? Widespread intimidation and boycott of booksellers. From Here to Eternity was blacklisted by the NODL in 1954. The religious group stated publicly its belief that certain books on its list—including works by William Faulkner, Ernest Hemingway, my father, and other prominent authors—were too advanced for youthful readers and should be kept out of their hands.</p>
<p>In 1956, the prosecuting attorney in Port Huron, Michigan, ordered booksellers and distributors to stop displaying and selling all books on the NODL blacklist, citing erotic passages. The ban on NODL books was lifted after the paperback publisher of From Here to Eternity joined with other publishers to obtain a federal district court injunction against the prosecution&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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