What does America OWE the PON?

The future for the Party of No (PON) and Own Worst Enemy (OWE) was projected by The Heel on Hag’s GOP thoughts Friday when he (oops, could be a she or a variation) The Heel posted, “My gut feeling is that the left is lulling itself into this complacent notion of certainty about the GOPs end – or at the very least about the GOP’s inability to win the 2012 elections. 3.5 years is a long time my friend and a lot will happen. So far nobody can seriously be very impressed by the Dem’s performance and the people’s patience has a long way to be tested. It is ultimately the economy more than anything or anybody that will determine the next election.”

Under traditional political wisdom and history, he (for convenience, I am using he) is making a reasonable prediction. No question that the economy will be the most major determinant followed closely by health care reform. However, The Heel is not taking into consideration these four factors: OWE PON, changing voter demographics, the Internet, and young adult culture.

American voters, especially independents, showed in the 2008 election that they wanted major changes. Even though the M$M tried to confuse them, they understood that our government and congress has failed them. Independents are a growing in influence because they believe that both parties have failed them and are looking for which party or candidate might bring real improvements or at least be better than the other choices.

The leadership of the Republican Party although it is very difficult to know who the leaders are has essentially made a decision to be the PON. That decision makes their mission much easier for them because they don’t have to come up with any solutions and try to get bills passed. They can create any myth or coordinated mantra and need not worry about facts or truth. This provides great flexibility and allows rapid reaction including producing ad videos over night.

The Repug goal during the Obama reign is not to help the American people with their myriad of problems, it is to gain power back in the House (White and Congress) and Senate regardless of the cost to people who may suffer from this outrageous tactic of sabotage. When left alone Repugs are their OWE, so their strategy will backfire because Americans are going to suffer from a deep recession that will probably as Larry Summers said in a Thursday interviewbe a jobless recovery.” If a decent health reform bill gets passed, it will be slow to implement and start making a real difference in people’s lives. There will be a lot of anger and resentment. People will look for who to blame.

The question becomes who will they blame more. When Americans become even more worn out by those in the Beltway who refuse to work together and help them, it seems very unlikely that they will blame the Democrats more than the Republicans because they have seen the continued attempts of Obama to forge bipartisanship and tireless effort to work many major problems simultaneously that he inherited.

The Repugs with a few individual exceptions seem to ignore the changing voter demographics in America. Calling Hispanic nominee Sotomayor a reverse racist does little to repair the damage done by the attacks on immigrants and refusal to even listen to John McCain or Bush 43 when they tried to pass more reasonable and humane legislation. Supporting the Birthers with legislation is just one more example how this almost white party keeps shooting itself in the foot and proving the OWE theory.

While the Repugs are very skillful with the M$M to the point that many Americans believe the M$M are a bunch of lefties and unfair to the Repugs, the Internet has made their lying and sabotage game much more risky. Americans who care about the truth can find it. Emails and careless comments are revealed and the President can cite them during a speech or press conference. This makes backroom secrets difficult to keep. Bloggers like Greenwald and so many others can expose the truth and can’t be shut down or compromised. If not given direct interviews or airing in the M$M, they still can provide M$M members with facts and logic that they can disseminate so the truth can prevail. There will come a point where the M$M will be superseded by bloggers in the dissemination of the truth or one could argue that it has already happened.

Finally we have the young adult culture. Those young adults who were carefully taught by their elders to believe in the Repug way will continue to love the Palins and Limbaughs and will never vote for Democrats. Some through education and meeting outsiders will awaken and realize how they are being played. However, many young adults have seen the error in livng the materialistic, selfish life and want to contribute to the community. They were very energized in the 2008 election and when they have witnessed how just electing a president is not enough, many will want to be active in making Washington “do it.” Like minorities, the Repugs have done little to attract young adults outside of their core believers.

I would be interested in your thoughts and predictions. Here are three articles germane to our discussion:

Obama’s Health Care Struggle — Waterloo or Water Down?

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/07/25

Ain’t Nothing Centrist About Them

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/07/25-2

He Promised Change, but Is This Too Much, Too Soon?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/25/AR2009072501053.html

12 Comments

  1. cocktailhag says:

    I think I lean to your side more than the Heel’s on this one, and just for the reasons you mention. I would add one more; lack of candidates. Romney? Palin? Please. I would also add the weekly sex scandals, too, exposing the PON to be the lying hypocrites that they are.
    Under OWE, the craziness of the birthers and teabaggers can’t possible add more fish to their shrinking pond, and the bigotry turns off the soccer mom set.
    2010 and 2012 are Obama’s to lose, and our own OWE, the Blue Dogs, may be able to take landslides and turn them into squeakers.

    • rmp says:

      Blue Dogs get a bad name from those Lefties, including me, but sitting in their shoes, it is not so easy to do all we and Obama want. They need those conservative and RWA votes when their constituency is very divided or just plain Red and they have found a formula to get elected. Rahm Emanuel wanted the numbers count of Dems in the House and Senate, so he pushed anyone with a Dem designation regardless of their politics.

      If the Dogs betray what they promised during their campaigns, they are Dead Dogs next go round. It is not their fault that the ballot and legislative designation has no gradations of being labeled a Democrat. I can’t fault them if they have tried to live up to their promises made to their constituencies. I would hope that they had promised to solve real problems and fix broken systems regardless of party positions, but I doubt many, if any, did.

      • cocktailhag says:

        The damage this does, of course, is in convincing people that there’s really no difference between the parties, and remember how that turned out in 2000. I think that if Dems were to actually be Dems, like campaign Obama, instead of Republican Light, like President Obama, they would have a lasting majority. The low turnout engendered by mushy middle policies only helps the righties.

        • rmp says:

          That may be but they have to get elected and many believe that to be Dem heavy won’t work. What could work is to say you are a problem solver first and foremost and a party member second. Then you prove it by being a problem solver not critic.

          • cocktailhag says:

            Polls reflect that liberal positions: no to torture and spying, public option for health care, well-funded public schools, higher minimum wage, protecting the environment, and on and on, are supported by huge majorities of Americans, yet embracing the opposite is deemed “centrist” in the M$M, and too many Dems believe it. Even if it meant smaller majorities, and I don’t think it would, it would be nice if Dems were all associated with such policies, and those who weren’t, well, ought to cross the aisle.
            As we’ve talked about before, Repubs may embrace crazy and unpopular things, but they do embrace them, and people like that.

  2. rmp says:

    Another Op-Ed from my local paper that pertains:

    Unraveling ObamaCare
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-perspec0726healthjul26,0,6250374.story

  3. dirigo says:

    Boston writer Charlie Pierce came up in previous discussions on this blog, and reference was made to his piece called “Idiot America”.

    This is the original article …

    http://www.esquire.com/features/ESQ0207GREETINGS

  4. The Heel says:

    Dear RMP,
    I appreciate you elaborating on your opinion. Allow me to counter with some of my own opinions. Please keep in mind that I am not a Rep or Dem. I just want to bring a little argument to this otherwise rather consistent blog.

    First and foremost, the Republicans, at least since Reagan, have conquered and held on to many strong selling feelings and associations in the voter’s minds – patriotism, religion, pride, strength, and above all the notion that personal greed is good. Think Gordon Gecko in “Wall Street”. Every ambitious MBA grad wants to be a little Gecko. Wall Street has developed apprentice programs for the brightest and most aspiring go-getters this nation brings forward (they used to be aiming at the moon and wanted to become rocket scientists). But since Obama’s Kumbaya singers are afraid to set rules for corporate welfare mothers to avoid a replay, the only things certain in life now include death, taxes and a replay of the 2008 melt-down (except that next time the banks will be even bigger and certainly can’t be allowed to fail…..).

    But I digress.
    Addressing your points: PON-OWE – so what? they are the opposition and that is the ONE great thing about being in the opposition. You can bitch and bad mouth all day long. Since you are not in charge there are no consequences. OWE, sorry but that didn’t seem to matter up until now.

    Changing Voter demographics? First generation immigrants tend to be the most patriotic Americans. All the above mentioned associations of pride, strength, greed, etc. apply to them. They will even guard the border for us and shoot their own cousins – I guarantee you. A mute point in my mind.

    Internet? Please, I downloaded porn in Northwest Portland in 1995 , living in “Sister’s halfway house” (I believe cocktail hags and worse were lurking). That was also the beginning of blogs (we called them chat rooms and communities). The internet is at least 4 presidential cycles old. I grant you though, that Obama’s campaign was the first to take full advantage of it.

    Young adult culture? – not sure what might be different from young adult cultures in 1968,1972,… There is always a “young adult culture” – more or less politically active.

    And to address the Hag’s point – lack of candidates? Again, when did you first hear of Obama? They have 3 years to find one.

    Also, I think it is worth looking at just how hard it turned out being to beat the Reps with a Sarah Palin as dedicated VP, no less and after 8 years of major league horror show. The results where 52.9% Dems (!!!) not exactly a landslide and an indication that without W’s support and prep-work, the Dems might have lost – once again.

    I admire your positive outlook and believe in the young adult culture to make a difference , I am afraid I might be right without the slightest desire to be….

    • rmp says:

      Addressing your points:
      PON-OWE – so what? they are the opposition and that is the ONE great thing about being in the opposition. You can bitch and bad mouth all day long. Since you are not in charge there are no consequences. OWE, sorry but that didn’t seem to matter up until now.

      You seem to believe that nothing in America and politics changes and what was true in the past will always be true in the future. That is how the Repugs arrogantly think and it will be their downfall. When voters are suffering from the economy and health care, the are not so willing to accept well I guess that is how D.C. Operates and I will just have to take care of myself. It must not have escaped your attention, but the voters in 2008 wanted and expected change. True the Dems are not going to bring enough change thanks to a broken congress, but tell me how the Repugs get credit for change when all they do is say “No” and offer nothing for solutions. According to your logic, they will say to themselves, well Obama didn’t make enough changes to really help and the Repugs fought him all the way to stop change, so I guess I better vote for them because they showed so much courage in lying and badmouthing everything. No consequences when people are mad and suffering or know someone who is? That logic doesn’t compute with me.

      OWE doesn’t matter. So selecting Palin was a genius move and wrapped up the Independent and angry at Bush-Cheney Republican vote so McCain won against all odds. I could go on forever sighting other examples. I guess you think that American voters are total idiots like Palin’s followers. You underestimate them at your prediction peril.

      Changing Voter demographics? First generation immigrants tend to be the most patriotic Americans. All the above mentioned associations of pride, strength, greed, etc. apply to them. They will even guard the border for us and shoot their own cousins – I guarantee you. A mute point in my mind.

      You qualify for emulating the simplistic thinking of Repugs and further my argument that they are going to take a long time to recover. I worked with immigrants for 14 years in Chicago and you are showing stereotyping ignorance and far too much generalizing about the immigrant population. The immigrants who came to Chicago in the latter part of the 20th century revitalized Chicago and have also done so for America. The ones who are really making a difference are well educated, very intelligent and more than capable of making good decisions and judgments. They are the opinion leaders for those immigrants who are still struggling with minimum wage jobs. Those vote as their leaders guide them.

      Internet? Please, I downloaded porn in Northwest Portland in 1995 , living in “Sister’s halfway house” (I believe cocktail hags and worse were lurking). That was also the beginning of blogs (we called them chat rooms and communities). The internet is at least 4 presidential cycles old. I grant you though, that Obama’s campaign was the first to take full advantage of it.

      You think with a snail brain if you can’t see how fast things have moved due to the internet. You also are grossly underestimating the power of groups who now can organize at blazing speed. And if you can’t see how much Glenn’s influence as just one of many bloggers has risen in just the last two years, you again need to speed up your thinking.

      Young adult culture? – not sure what might be different from young adult cultures in 1968,1972,… There is always a “young adult culture” – more or less politically active.
      And to address the Hag’s point – lack of candidates? Again, when did you first hear of Obama? They have 3 years to find one.

      You apparently want to believe that young voters are just too busy to really care and vote. The young have grown weary of our materialistic world and had their thoughts confirmed when they watch the Repugs almost destroy our economy. They don’t believe Obama created the problem and they have seen strong efforts to do something about our economic crisis. The Repugs have a problem with their selection of viable candidates because their party is splitting apart and their hardcore idiots are so brain dead form their incest thinking that they will keep the split going. When a quality governor like Charlie Crist in Florida who actually has compassion and cares about more than himself, can get little traction, you tell me why they are going to find one that meets their needs.

  5. The Heel says:

    well, at last we have some controversial discussion going here, thank you rmp, I really appreciate it.

    Just a few points back:
    When talking about the Rep’s strategy of “PON” I am by no means presenting a “logic” that I would expect to compute in any healthy brain. All I am saying is that this is how they roll and remarkably successful as such. Logic is over estimated and yes, I arrogantly proclaim 80% of the American voters idiots (btw, not much of a difference to any other nation I observe voting). In my book, the right to vote should be earned like a driver’s license and some voters can earn the status of super voters with 10,100, up to 10,000 votes – based on some academic selection process, the kind we use to determine who receives a PhD in philosophy / history / science and who doesn’t.

    But back to earth – I have met many highly intelligent and successful first generation immigrants in the US. A group of guys from Iran comes to mind that lived in an apartment high rise in San Francisco with me. Sharp, successful, fun and very well educated young men (handsome too). They clearly saw the stupidity of the Iraqi invasion and the associated tragedies for the people in the middle east but deep down did they express some almost disturbingly conservative outlook on things that was well in line with the Nazi regime in the White House at the time.

    I guess what I am trying to say is that intelligence alone will not prevent people from voting Republican.

    As far as young voters are concerned, I must say, the generation of 68 had possibly the strongest aversion against American style capitalism ever recorded and it’s ideals found fertile ground in other parts of the world, too. It is not that young voters don’t care or won’t invest time, it is that they traditionally have done so, to a more or less significant degree and always will. The Reps will certainly never attract the majority of them. Except you seem to have the demographics wrong, here. The young ones are getting less and the old ones are getting more – like in all aging societies.

    The impact of the internet as a medium to reach thinking people is clearly there but also over estimated. I was there 4.5 years ago and Bush got second term. It will be there when the next Rep. President will be sworn in. The only question is whether that is 4 3.5 years away or 7.5 years. I bet on 3.5 but I hope I lose.

    But again, I appreciate your positive, albeit slightly naive outlook and believes in the good of the American people.

    From an outside view – a People that elects brain dead morons on such a regular basis is certainly capable of electing a brain dead Jesus bimbo in between the usual imbeciles. Plus, like I say, the Reps have 3 more years to find the new messiah…

    • cocktailhag says:

      Ah, Heel…. You’re being such a Smarty again. I don’t think though, that RMP is naive, not by a long stretch. We often disagree, but generally about the smaller things. I would argue that the Repugs have been much more successful in marketing shit and calling it Shinola, and plenty of people are stupid and self-centered enough to fall for this.
      I do feel, as I’ve written above, that Obama has been a real bait and switch, and that does cut into grabbing hold of the youth for the Dems. On the other hand, the youth movements in 68 and 72 held onto their purity, and we got (almost) two terms of Nixon. So that complicates the historical comparison.
      Still, I think that your pessimism is valuable…. One of the chief criticisms Turd had of the Iraq war was that it was built entirely on (pie in the sky) rosy scenarios. He said, “In the real world, when you propose something, you’d better have answers for the worst-case scenario.” And that was when he was at Citibank.
      I think what you’re offering here is for RMP, and all of us, to think about that. And act accordingly.

  6. rmp says:

    I likewise enjoy the conversation. I agree on your intelligence point, You can say a lot of things about The Dick, and I have, but he is intelligent, scary intelligent. If you have cold intelligence and the emotional skills of a preschooler like the Bully Dick, you are one dangerous dude.

    My main point about young adults is that they have Internet and organizing skills so even if they become smaller in number than seniors, they can still make a difference when they are unified. It’s also harder for Repug parents to keep kids in the knowledge bubble so that they fall for the bull shit.

    There is another shift going on in the evangelical religious community. We tend as does the M$M to focus on the idiots who have saddles and dinosaurs living together in there creation museums, to forget about the more sensible evangelicals who are now concentrating on the starving and suffering overseas and even in America because they have seen what happens to their vote when Junior and The Dick ran things.

    We have to be careful to not fall prey to the M$M horse race necessity so that they have something to cover and therefore believe that Obama is slipping in the public’s eye. Any Repug candidate has to run against a very savy politician who owns the bully pulpit and will not have a problem serving eight years.

    The contrast of Dubya and his ineptness and poor communications delivery and Obama has caused a lot of Americans to believe, I don’t want a president that I can have a beer with because I want one far smarter and better than me. My world has very serious problems requiring someone with superior skills. That came out in the 2008 election and unless the Repugs come up with someone close to equal, that same feeling will prevail.