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		<title>By: cocktailhag</title>
		<link>http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/wtf/shit-sandwiches-in-the-usa/comment-page-1/#comment-5625</link>
		<dc:creator>cocktailhag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you drove me to it, Mike.  My application to the WaPoo is my next post.</description>
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		<title>By: cocktailhag</title>
		<link>http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/wtf/shit-sandwiches-in-the-usa/comment-page-1/#comment-5624</link>
		<dc:creator>cocktailhag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a cute one....  It&#039;s funny how things written just a few months ago seem new again.  Maybe it&#039;s the booze.  Still. it&#039;s way to saucy and controversial for the WaPoo, unless Krauthammer wrote it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a cute one&#8230;.  It&#8217;s funny how things written just a few months ago seem new again.  Maybe it&#8217;s the booze.  Still. it&#8217;s way to saucy and controversial for the WaPoo, unless Krauthammer wrote it.</p>
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		<title>By: cocktailhag</title>
		<link>http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/wtf/shit-sandwiches-in-the-usa/comment-page-1/#comment-5623</link>
		<dc:creator>cocktailhag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.  Something tells me I&#039;m unqualified, considering their formidable stable of &quot;talent.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm.  Something tells me I&#8217;m unqualified, considering their formidable stable of &#8220;talent.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mikeinportc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikeinportc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I nominate this one for submission to the &lt;i&gt;Who-wants-to-work-cheaper-than-Froomkin&lt;/i&gt; contest : http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/thrownshoes/things-you-cant-take-back/ :))))))))))))))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I nominate this one for submission to the <i>Who-wants-to-work-cheaper-than-Froomkin</i> contest : <a href="http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/thrownshoes/things-you-cant-take-back/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/thrownshoes/things-you-cant-take-back/</a> <img src='http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )))))))))))))</p>
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		<title>By: mikeinportc</title>
		<link>http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/wtf/shit-sandwiches-in-the-usa/comment-page-1/#comment-5621</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeinportc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CH, I&#039;m in the (almost) enforced semi-vegetarian camp with you. Locally produced meat and eggs seems to be makng a comeback around here. One farmer even sells buffalo meat ( from a big portable cooler)right along with the vegetables. Another sells at the farmers&#039; market . (In the parking lot at one of my jobs.) It cost a little more than the mass-produced stuff at the grocery store, but not that much. There&#039;s always fish , as there&#039;s water everywhere here. (&#039;Course I have to make the time - not always possible) Or mushrooms . Sulfur Shelf anyone? Tastes like chicken . Really! :) 

 OT, the WaPoo is looking for a new columnist . CH ( and others ),why not give it a shot? If Fred&#039;s off his meds that day, you might have shot.:)  It&#039;d be a vast improvement . Talk about a shit sandwich. ( You being  the good filling, of course ;) 
  

 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/pundit-contest/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CH, I&#8217;m in the (almost) enforced semi-vegetarian camp with you. Locally produced meat and eggs seems to be makng a comeback around here. One farmer even sells buffalo meat ( from a big portable cooler)right along with the vegetables. Another sells at the farmers&#8217; market . (In the parking lot at one of my jobs.) It cost a little more than the mass-produced stuff at the grocery store, but not that much. There&#8217;s always fish , as there&#8217;s water everywhere here. (&#8216;Course I have to make the time &#8211; not always possible) Or mushrooms . Sulfur Shelf anyone? Tastes like chicken . Really! <img src='http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p> OT, the WaPoo is looking for a new columnist . CH ( and others ),why not give it a shot? If Fred&#8217;s off his meds that day, you might have shot.:)  It&#8217;d be a vast improvement . Talk about a shit sandwich. ( You being  the good filling, of course <img src='http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/pundit-contest/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/pundit-contest/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you brought up backyard chickens, Bystander and Cocktail Hag. You can do a lot worse than humiliating yourself at the county extension office and asking for the beginner bookss on raising chickens for eggs or broilers.  Home raised chickens are happy, &amp; they&#039;ll sing you their egging song whenever they are about to lay theirs. You can still find egg scales on eBay, should you wish to go large scale and grade/sell them.  The yolks will be a much brighter sunnier orange, and the chickens are champion bug eaters. The rescued chickens I cared for were often happy two or even occasionally three-a-day layers, and oversized eggs were often the norm when they went out on pasture with the horses.

Tangentially  - to play devil&#039;s wee advocate for a minute on the Conservapedia idiocy, many religions had public health components manifested by dietary &quot;laws&quot; and rituals.  The anti- shellfish &amp; pork (cloven hooved animals) components of Jewish dietary law I would imagine protected against red tide toxicity and parasitic pork, among other stomach beasties.  I can&#039;t get quite as exercised about Biblical food traditions when seen through the lens of &quot;best practices at the time&quot; which may have been directly related to and protective of arable lands, lands suitable for grazing, food safety and public health.

However, I doubt that the &quot;skollars&quot; at Conservapedia will have actually looked at such inconvenient things as facts, historical data and translation accuracy as ondelette and others have pointed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you brought up backyard chickens, Bystander and Cocktail Hag. You can do a lot worse than humiliating yourself at the county extension office and asking for the beginner bookss on raising chickens for eggs or broilers.  Home raised chickens are happy, &amp; they&#8217;ll sing you their egging song whenever they are about to lay theirs. You can still find egg scales on eBay, should you wish to go large scale and grade/sell them.  The yolks will be a much brighter sunnier orange, and the chickens are champion bug eaters. The rescued chickens I cared for were often happy two or even occasionally three-a-day layers, and oversized eggs were often the norm when they went out on pasture with the horses.</p>
<p>Tangentially  &#8211; to play devil&#8217;s wee advocate for a minute on the Conservapedia idiocy, many religions had public health components manifested by dietary &#8220;laws&#8221; and rituals.  The anti- shellfish &amp; pork (cloven hooved animals) components of Jewish dietary law I would imagine protected against red tide toxicity and parasitic pork, among other stomach beasties.  I can&#8217;t get quite as exercised about Biblical food traditions when seen through the lens of &#8220;best practices at the time&#8221; which may have been directly related to and protective of arable lands, lands suitable for grazing, food safety and public health.</p>
<p>However, I doubt that the &#8220;skollars&#8221; at Conservapedia will have actually looked at such inconvenient things as facts, historical data and translation accuracy as ondelette and others have pointed out.</p>
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		<title>By: William Timberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Timberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one fear that, as a cook, I&#039;ll have to look upon with a jaundiced eye. Sushi is quite wonderful, in my opinion, and the Japanese have been eating it for hundreds and hundreds of years. The mercury -- a late addition -- is probably more dangerous than the bacteria, which have evolved along with us over the thousands of years we&#039;ve had kitchens.

I remember about thirty years ago, an overzealous -- again, my opinion -- food safety office in Los Angeles tried to ban Peking duck from Chinatown. The complaint was that the cooking process took too long, and took place at too low a temperature, to prevent bacteria growth in the duck. The local merchants stopped hanging the ducks outside their shops on strings, but they didn&#039;t stop making Peking duck. After an enormous uproar -- &lt;i&gt;we&#039;ve been cooking and eating Peking duck for five thousand years, and the fact that there are ten times as more of us than there are of you should tell you something&lt;/i&gt; -- etc., etc. The city gave up. Along with thousands of my Han brethren, I cheered.

Americans won&#039;t eat cheese because it has mold on it, or fish because it smells, or green things unless they&#039;re cooked in bacon grease. Traditionally, the Inuit ate mostly fat -- there was hardly anything else to eat in the winter, and they needed the calories. Most Hindus eat no meat at all.

Incidences of chronic diet-related and genetic diseases vary amongst these different populations, true, but I&#039;ve yet to see any correlation that&#039;s specific enough to ban this or that food in a population which has traditionally eaten it. Perhaps we&#039;ll find out eventually that there are such correlations, such as arteriosclerosis in beef and ice-cream eaters, or colon cancer among those who eat large amounts of fermented soy, but I&#039;d say that so far, the jury is still out.

Oh, and the virtues of peanut butter...? One word: &lt;i&gt;aflatoxin.&lt;/i&gt; Look it up. Bleach on your cutting board and countertops? Maybe, but maybe it will simply kill of the bacteria that you can live with, leaving more room for those to grow which you &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; live with. Look at hospitals. It&#039;s now pretty clear that they&#039;re the principal breeding ground for the most dangerous bacteria we know, and it isn&#039;t because they&#039;re dirty. On the contrary,  it appears to be because sterilization techniques and antibiotics have goosed bacterial evolution ahead of our own, and destroyed any hope of reasonable symbiosis between us -- at least within the confines of the places where we&#039;re supposed to go when we need healing. 

I&#039;m not arguing that industrial food production doesn&#039;t bring new dangers, or that the Bush administration&#039;s version of &lt;i&gt;laissez faire&lt;/i&gt; in food inspection and regulation isn&#039;t deplorable -- and dangerous -- but I am saying that being too squeamish about what we eat will leave a lot of us ignorant of the splendors of one of our most ancient and satisfying art forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one fear that, as a cook, I&#8217;ll have to look upon with a jaundiced eye. Sushi is quite wonderful, in my opinion, and the Japanese have been eating it for hundreds and hundreds of years. The mercury &#8212; a late addition &#8212; is probably more dangerous than the bacteria, which have evolved along with us over the thousands of years we&#8217;ve had kitchens.</p>
<p>I remember about thirty years ago, an overzealous &#8212; again, my opinion &#8212; food safety office in Los Angeles tried to ban Peking duck from Chinatown. The complaint was that the cooking process took too long, and took place at too low a temperature, to prevent bacteria growth in the duck. The local merchants stopped hanging the ducks outside their shops on strings, but they didn&#8217;t stop making Peking duck. After an enormous uproar &#8212; <i>we&#8217;ve been cooking and eating Peking duck for five thousand years, and the fact that there are ten times as more of us than there are of you should tell you something</i> &#8212; etc., etc. The city gave up. Along with thousands of my Han brethren, I cheered.</p>
<p>Americans won&#8217;t eat cheese because it has mold on it, or fish because it smells, or green things unless they&#8217;re cooked in bacon grease. Traditionally, the Inuit ate mostly fat &#8212; there was hardly anything else to eat in the winter, and they needed the calories. Most Hindus eat no meat at all.</p>
<p>Incidences of chronic diet-related and genetic diseases vary amongst these different populations, true, but I&#8217;ve yet to see any correlation that&#8217;s specific enough to ban this or that food in a population which has traditionally eaten it. Perhaps we&#8217;ll find out eventually that there are such correlations, such as arteriosclerosis in beef and ice-cream eaters, or colon cancer among those who eat large amounts of fermented soy, but I&#8217;d say that so far, the jury is still out.</p>
<p>Oh, and the virtues of peanut butter&#8230;? One word: <i>aflatoxin.</i> Look it up. Bleach on your cutting board and countertops? Maybe, but maybe it will simply kill of the bacteria that you can live with, leaving more room for those to grow which you <i>can&#8217;t</i> live with. Look at hospitals. It&#8217;s now pretty clear that they&#8217;re the principal breeding ground for the most dangerous bacteria we know, and it isn&#8217;t because they&#8217;re dirty. On the contrary,  it appears to be because sterilization techniques and antibiotics have goosed bacterial evolution ahead of our own, and destroyed any hope of reasonable symbiosis between us &#8212; at least within the confines of the places where we&#8217;re supposed to go when we need healing. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not arguing that industrial food production doesn&#8217;t bring new dangers, or that the Bush administration&#8217;s version of <i>laissez faire</i> in food inspection and regulation isn&#8217;t deplorable &#8212; and dangerous &#8212; but I am saying that being too squeamish about what we eat will leave a lot of us ignorant of the splendors of one of our most ancient and satisfying art forms.</p>
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		<title>By: sysprog</title>
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		<dc:creator>sysprog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a beautiful project! And behold the project&#039;s elegant simplicity! 

Ages ago, when I was in seventh grade Greek class, the teacher showed translation errors where the King James Version and the Vulgate (Latin Bible) both failed to translate some verses correctly, from the Bible&#039;s original Greek. 

And the Greek can be faulty, too, and contain mistranslations from Hebrew. 

The &quot;voice crying in the wilderness&quot; wasn&#039;t actually in the wilderness, for instance.

Is it any wonder that there are stories about Christians becoming atheists after learning Greek and Hebrew and then seeing the translation errors and then wondering how all those errors could be divinely inspired?

But the project notes indicate that the Conservapedia translation teams won&#039;t be risking atheism by wasting time learning that pesky Greek alphabet and those pesky Greek noun declensions and those super pesky verb forms.

Second Aorist Participles? Who Needs &#039;Em?

They found a shortcut - - they&#039;re going to &quot;translate&quot; from the KJV into God&#039;s English.

Why bother with the Greek language?

It&#039;s an inferior and &quot;inadequate&quot; language, 

http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Christianity introduced powerful new concepts that even the Greek and Hebrew were inadequate to express, but modern conservative language can express well.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
 - - conservapedia&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a beautiful project! And behold the project&#8217;s elegant simplicity! </p>
<p>Ages ago, when I was in seventh grade Greek class, the teacher showed translation errors where the King James Version and the Vulgate (Latin Bible) both failed to translate some verses correctly, from the Bible&#8217;s original Greek. </p>
<p>And the Greek can be faulty, too, and contain mistranslations from Hebrew. </p>
<p>The &#8220;voice crying in the wilderness&#8221; wasn&#8217;t actually in the wilderness, for instance.</p>
<p>Is it any wonder that there are stories about Christians becoming atheists after learning Greek and Hebrew and then seeing the translation errors and then wondering how all those errors could be divinely inspired?</p>
<p>But the project notes indicate that the Conservapedia translation teams won&#8217;t be risking atheism by wasting time learning that pesky Greek alphabet and those pesky Greek noun declensions and those super pesky verb forms.</p>
<p>Second Aorist Participles? Who Needs &#8216;Em?</p>
<p>They found a shortcut &#8211; - they&#8217;re going to &#8220;translate&#8221; from the KJV into God&#8217;s English.</p>
<p>Why bother with the Greek language?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an inferior and &#8220;inadequate&#8221; language, </p>
<p><a href="http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project" rel="nofollow">http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project</a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;Christianity introduced powerful new concepts that even the Greek and Hebrew were inadequate to express, but modern conservative language can express well.&#8221;</i><br />
 &#8211; - conservapedia</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: cocktailhag</title>
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		<dc:creator>cocktailhag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big thing here is raising your own hens for eggs.  It&#039;s been legal in Portland for about ten years, and has caught on so much that even the suburbs are getting into it.  Our urban growth boundary also keeps agricultural land preserved near the city, so we have pretty good farmer&#039;s markets....  food grown near where the people eat it is such a revolutionary idea, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big thing here is raising your own hens for eggs.  It&#8217;s been legal in Portland for about ten years, and has caught on so much that even the suburbs are getting into it.  Our urban growth boundary also keeps agricultural land preserved near the city, so we have pretty good farmer&#8217;s markets&#8230;.  food grown near where the people eat it is such a revolutionary idea, you know.</p>
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		<title>By: bystander</title>
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		<dc:creator>bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.  I know kids who grew up drinking whole, unpasteurized milk, too.  Their mom was a nutritionist from Cornell&#039;s School of Ag.  She figured the &quot;bugs&quot; were good for them.  &#039;Course she also knew the dairyman.  Small herd; about 100 Jersey cows.  You can manage those kinds of small operations such that you can keep tight controls.  A dairy of 1500 cows is considered small anymore.  You can&#039;t control that size operation that tightly.  Same for hen/egg growers, and small scale beef operations.  All gone, or almost gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.  I know kids who grew up drinking whole, unpasteurized milk, too.  Their mom was a nutritionist from Cornell&#8217;s School of Ag.  She figured the &#8220;bugs&#8221; were good for them.  &#8216;Course she also knew the dairyman.  Small herd; about 100 Jersey cows.  You can manage those kinds of small operations such that you can keep tight controls.  A dairy of 1500 cows is considered small anymore.  You can&#8217;t control that size operation that tightly.  Same for hen/egg growers, and small scale beef operations.  All gone, or almost gone.</p>
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